Los Alamitos Councilman Dean Grose: From Email Racist to Facebook Revolutionary

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1. And don’t forget, Allan Bartlett is an Irvine Finance Commissioner. He’s a public official too and a major league douchebag

2. Must be a real slow news day to be copying stuff from my Facebook wall.

   • Allan,

     When elected officials write this type of stuff, it’s news; slow day or not.

   • Allan in case you’re wondering, I did get a tip, from outside the LiberalOC blog team, to look at your Facebook page. I have more important things to do than check out your page on a regular basis.

3. The tea party needs to rename itself “the scared white peoples liberation front” and what pigs like dean grose and allan bartlett dont realize if the shit ever hits the fan in this country its people like them who are gonna be taken out first no matter how many guns they have.

   • “Real nice” comment there jose s.

     Do you care to explain what you mean by “it’s people like them who are gonna be taken out first ..”?

     I thought that you had more sense than to say something like that.

     • It makes about as much sense as teabaggers who stupidly comment that all the Hispanics attending the gun show must be gangbangers. Most of the folks I see at the show (yes, I attend)simply like guns and want to see what’s available. Oh yeah, it’s generally a cheaper place to buy ammunition, too.

4. First off. I support the 2nd Amendment.

   That being said, I always chuckle at the scared white folks who believe they need to stand in line for hours to buy ammo at inflated prices. I’m reminded of the line from the first Wall Street, “a fool and his money are lucky enough to come together in the first place.”

   Second, I laugh even harder when those same scared white folk start quoting the Founding Fathers as the basis of their beliefs. Even the Founding Fathers didn’t apply the 2nd Amendment to their contemporaries. Slaves weren’t allowed to own guns. Even freed blacks weren’t allowed to own guns.

   Third, the biggest laff riot is that so-called American loving conservatives always seem to have a dystopian view of America’s future. This is nothing new. I’ve only been hearing about how America was going downhill and doomed to implosion since the Eisenhower Administration.

   Lastly, for all those scared white folk out there who believe they need protection. From who? Minorities? They have guns as well. The government? Do they really believe a group of folks with AR-15’s will be able to stand up to the modern US military that is equipped with nuke subs, fighter planes, and smart bombs? The conservative delusional fantasies never cease to amaze me. Which is getting harder to do as I get older.

   • “for all those scared white folk out there who believe they need protection. From who? Minorities? They have guns as well. The government? Do they really believe a group of folks with AR-15′s will be able to stand up to the modern US military that is equipped with nuke subs, fighter planes, and smart bombs?”

     Tell that to the World War II French, German and Polish Resistance fighters who were outgunned. Tell that to the American Colonists who fought against the British so you could exercise your right to free speech. And, lest we think it only happens in the past, tell it to the Mujahadeen who fought an underground war against the Soviets or the North Vietnamese “Viet Cong” who fought against the South and their allies (that would be us).

     And, RH, yes, people should have the right to protect themselves from the criminal element when that criminal element is armed and the government is unwilling or unable to enforce the thousands of anti-gun laws currently on the books. New laws simply abrogate law-abiding citizens’ rights under the Constitution while doing nothing to solve the problem.

     Don’t you find it interesting that, while the President and his bufoon VP rally for an assault weapons ban (along with the gun-toting Feinstein) that police and Federal departments are making new purchases of those weapons? I’d feel a lot better about turning in my weapons if the cops turned their in at the same time.

     • Jeff,

       You want to compare the militaries of that era to the present one? That’s a hoot.

       The reason those groups you cite as being able to hold off the military of the day is because those militaries were interested in avoiding civilian casualties in foreign countries.

       Why don’t you read up on the tyrants and how they subjugated the civilian populations of the countries they overthrew. Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin. Those are better examples. How did the civilian populations fare against a tyrant that was home grown?

       Your comparison isn’t a valid comparison.

       But please keep up with the belief that a group of folks with AR-15s are going to prevail against a SEAL team with access to satellite intel or a squadron of fighter planes that will have no restraint to rain death on an entire city without regard to consequences.

       • It’s true– doubtful my neighborhood could withstand a Spectre gunship attack. I didn’t hear mention the South’s succession and subsequent armed “disagreement” over “personal property rights” and Federal oppression in this little exchange. ( Those guys lost). I feel the current danger is not the owning of arms–it’s the present paranoia and willingness to use them for simple policy disagreements.

     • The French, German & Polish Resistance had Allied help. The American Revolution might well have been DOA without French help. A good friend of mine didnt go to the Olympics and we spent a ton of money helping out the Mujahideen. If the South Vietnamese only needed small arms, why did we send planes, artillery, and other weapons? Your view of history omits the part where the resolve of the people PLUS the righteousness of a cause that resonates with others helps. South Vietnam is no longer. There were many 18th century French revolutionary revolts. Tianenmen Square was years ago. The South lost. Two night passes by properly equipped AC 130 gunships might very well be able to place a round in every square foot of every house in my housing tract. I have no problem with sensible people owning guns. Paranoia and dislike of current legislation coupled with romantic ideas that uprising against “tyranny” can simply be remedied by neighborhood gun range meetings is dangerous. 2nd amendment, yes. Silly romanticism,no.

5. I think if you guy a gun to stand up to our tyrannical government, you don’t have the mental capacity to own a firearm. Remember Waco, Ruby Ridge? There is a word for those who take up arms against government/ law enforcement — criminals. LaPierre’s statement about the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun…how can you tell them apart?

   • Remember Walton County, Springfield Township? Of course not, because they were not published in the mainstream, liberal media. But, both incidents save lives because of permit holders who were willing to protect life with a firearm. How about Bexar County, Texas? That happened only two days after Sandy Hook and, because of an off-duty armed deputy working security, another tragedy was averted.

     How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? I don’t think it is too hard.

     Oh, and don’t stand on Waco and Ruby Ridge to strongly. My opinion is that both incidents were so poorly handled by the Feds, it resulted in the unnecessary loss of life. Maybe we need protection from the Feds after all.

6. First of all junior i have no sense, secondly all these brainless freaks who stand in line for hours to buy overpriced ammo and guns because they think that the “socialist” in the white house is coming for their guns and this might be their last chance to own one to protect liberty and freedom before the “black man in the white house” comes to put them in internment camps. Junior, you know why “people like that” call obama a socialist and a communist? Its their way of of calling him a nigger without actually saying the word. They are scared white people not being able to come to terms with the fact the country is changing. All these nutjobs have to do is make the first move to overthrow our government

7. Pt.2 and it will be peoplee like me who will do whatever it takes to stop them. I love my guns and i cant bring myself to kill an animal but i wouldnt think twice about killing a human who was trying to overthrow my government. Now run along junior dont make me call on “have you seen juniors grades” to straighten your arse out.

8. It’s quite a reach to say Grose’ comments would attract the attention of the Secret Service as a threat to Obama. It’s not even an insult, simply an observation. Nugent actually made comments that could loosely be translated (especially if you followed the guy all these years)into a threat. But, even that is a reach.

   Don’t let your anti-gun paranoia get the best of you, Chris.

   • If you read further, the more difficult situation for Grose is not the Secret Service, it’s Homeland Security. Grose certainly seems to be advocating stopping the “Obama Regime” with AR-15’s. That could be construed as treason. And while prosecution may be unlikely, the pain of a probing investigation would be significant.

     • Fear the Government that fears your gun.
       Suggested readings:
       1) The Declaration of Independence
       2) Why Obama Should be Impeached
       An Indictment of Obama for War Crimes, Cover-Ups, & Blatant Violations of the US Constitution
       http://larouchepac.com/obamawatch

       • Bob,

         Just so you know. Aluminum foil can be bought in bulk at Costco.

9. “I hope that a RIDICULOUS number of weapons and tons of ammo are sold this weekend. I also hope that it becomes more and more clear to all levels of SUBORDINATE government, that the American people are armed to the teeth and as covetous of our freedoms as we are of our very lives.” — Chris Thompson, Fullerton School Board member.

   To me, this statement is treasonous and calls for Americans to take up arms *against* the government and not what the second amendment was about which was to take up arms to *defend* the government and our liberties. For those Fullerton teachers out there, just how is the second amendment being taught in your classrooms?

10. To put Dean Grose’s comment in context. . . Had he made a similar comment in the years following 911, he would have been branded an “Unamerican Traitor”. Freedom of Speech had no place in the “You’re with us or against us” Bush era. Yet these ignorant blockheads have the nerve to label Obama a socialist. Do some reasearch, learn some facts.