Every now and then, a gem pops up on Social Media. Like the graphic above that suggests a study done by the United Sovereign Americans — a group that does nothing but sue states for voter fraud when Republicans don’t win — suggests that one out of every five voters in Orange County is fake, illegal or ineligible.
What hogwash.
Current OC ROV Bob Page has advanced the exceptional work done by Neal Kelley in making Orange County’s voter registration rolls and the security of this database a national model. I remember attending a BlackHat Cybersecurity Conference in Las Vegas where Neal Kelley spoke and listening in on a conversation of three men praising the work he did in OC. These are hardcore hackers showing respect to a government official and not talking about voting machines in Virginia that had Chinese MP3s on them.
The suggestion by United Soverein Americans is that if one in five voters in OC was ineligible, imagine what the rest of California looks like.
From their webpage, United Sovreign Americans blls itself as:
Sovereign Americans is a non-partisan, volunteer, civic organization committed to restoring the fundamental right of every American citizen to legitimate representative government, through legally valid elections. USA has studied federal elections in 21 states and is the first organization to measure the current election misconduct as defined in criminal law. USA Forensic audits of official, 2022, public election records shows that our voting system is broken, and the intent of qualified citizen voters has been drowned out by error.
They have filed a number of lawsuits claiming Voter fraud in Pennslyvania. Texas, Ohio, Colorado and others; they were filing lawsuits about the 2024 election before a vote was ever cast. Thetruly picked the wrong county to claim voter fraud and the OC ROV sets the standard for protecting voter data and election integrety in OC and across the nation.
Here’s the communications exchange between the fringe group and Page, but it begins with an update report filed by the OC ROV in February 2025:
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County of Orange Registrar of Voters Voter File Maintenance
February 5, 2025
The Registrar of Voters works continuously to maintain current and accurate voter registration records. Mandated Activities
Pursuant to Title 2 of the California Code of Regulations section 19061, the Registrar of Voters must update a
voter’s registration record within five business days of being notified of a modification by the voter or an official government source. These official government sources include:
- California Statewide Voter Database (VoteCal) updates
- United States Postal Service’s National Change of Address information
- California Department of Motor Vehicles Change of Address information
- Orange County Health Care Agency, California Secretary of State, and S. Social Security Administration regarding deceased persons
- California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation through the Secretary of State regarding persons imprisoned or released for the conviction of a felony
- The Superior Court of each county through the Secretary of State regarding court findings that a person is not competent to vote
- Other counties where voters move to and re-register
- Vote-By-Mail ballots returned as undeliverable
Additional Discretionary Activities
The Registrar of Voters also accesses third-party data to identify possible voter address and status changes that can be researched to potentially update voter registration records. A voter’s registration record cannot be modified based on third-party data, but the Registrar of Voters does use the information to contact the voter to confirm the accuracy of the information. Data used by the Registrar of Voters may come from one of the following third parties:
- Family members, other voters, or the public
- Consumer credit reporting agencies
- Direct marketing list brokers for national death records
The Registrar of Voters also regularly reviews voter registration files for potentially duplicate records and encourages voters to re-register when we notice a change in their signatures.
Cancelling Voter Registrations
Pursuant to Elections Code section 2201, the Registrar of Voters shall cancel a voter’s registration in the following cases:
- Signed, written request of the voter
- The death of the voter
- Imprisonment of the voter for conviction of a felony
- Official notification the voter is registered to vote in another state
- Proof the voter is otherwise not eligible to vote
- An inactive voter does not respond to notification from the Registrar of Voters that the voter will be cancelled if the voter does not confirm or update residency information or vote in any election between the date of the notification mailing and two federal general elections after the date of that mailing
Performance Measures
The performance measures below demonstrate the effectiveness of the actions taken to keep an updated voter registration list.
- 974,220 – Number of Voter Registration Updates in 2024
- 35,689 – Voters canceled in 2024, including 16,742 deceased voter
- 1.7% – Percentage of 2024 General Election Vote-By-Mail Ballots Returned undeliverable
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Page, Bob
From: Media Support
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2025 2:47 PM
To:
Cc: (redacted) ; ROV, Webmaster; Media Support
Subject: RE: Response to OC RAV Bob Page Request to Review Voter Validity Study
Mr. Hoft:
The team at the County of Orange Registrar of Voters is very capable of reviewing the work of United Sovereign Americans. I see no need to provide you with the resumes of my team in order to receive a copy.
However, to address any concern you may have about bias, I would suggest that this study be reviewed as well by an independent panel of academic experts. I have already contacted Professor Justin Grimmer at Stanford and Professor Mike Alvarez at Caltech who expressed willingness to assemble just such a review panel.
Please provide me a copy of the United Sovereign Americans study at your earliest convenience. Thank you.
Bob Page | Registrar of Voters | Orange County Registrar of Voters
1300 S. Grand Avenue, Bld C | Santa Ana, California 92705 | (phone number and email address redacted)
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 5:50 PM
To: Media Support <MediaSupport@ocvote.gov>; ROV, Webmaster <rovwebmaster@ocvote.gov>
Cc:
Subject: Response to OC RAV Bob Page Request to Review Voter Validity Study
Mr. Page,
As you know we reported in an article released on Friday, April 4, 2025 about material deficiencies where one- fifth of the voters in the 2024 Election in Orange County were non-citizens, invalid, or phantom voters – https://joehoft.com/breaking-exclusive-shocking-report-results-indicate-that-one-fifth-of-the-voters-in-the- 2024-election-in-orange-county-ca-were-non-citizens-invalid-or-phantom-voters/
As you also know this received the attention of Elon Musk who retweeted the article – https://joehoft.com/elon-musk-retweets-article-showing-one-in-five-voters-in-orange-county-were-non- citizens-invalid-or-phantom-voters/
In response, you stated:
Joe:
If you provide a copy of this study to the Registrar of Voters, we will review the study and the methodology used to extrapolate the conclusions it reaches so that we can determine if it identified any concerns we should address.
Thank you.
Bob Page
Registrar of Voters
County of Orange
Our concern with your offer is that your team will not understand the work perform or the analysis accomplished. To give you an idea of the caliber of expert needed to perform such work, I have attached a document identifying the resume of Mr. Harry Haury and of the team of professionals involved in this work. (See Attached)
Can you please provide the details of the individuals who will be involved in looking into our work? Also, if this team requires assistance in understanding the particulars, please feel free to ask.
Sincerely, Joe Hoft
From:
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Cc: Subject: Date:
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; “Harry Haury“:—
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Mr. Page,
Our delay in responding to your reply below to our analysis showing that more than one in five voters in Orange County in the 2024 Election were either non-citizens, invalid, or phantom voters is due to our disbelief that your intention to get to the truth is legitimate. We base this on your response below.
Your reply provided voluminous information about list maintenance activity, thank you. However, United Sovereign Americans (USA) findings present an entirely different question. For example, on a prevalence basis, there are an estimated 74,470 votes counted in Orange County’s 2024 election from “voters” that do not exist. They are not noncitizen registrants because they lied to the registrar or DMV. They are noncitizens because they are non people.
Just this one finding from the USA study represents more than 100 times the margin of victory of a congressional race that you personally certified, an attestation that the total reflected the tally of valid votes only.
Your response indicates that the votes you certified appear to have been improper but yet there appears to be no sense of duty on your part. According to your response, it is now the job of USA and myself to refer these estimated 297,670 individuals for investigation of voter fraud. Do you actually believe that could rectify the massive harm identified in time to protect the US Congress from potential improper access by impostors serving an unknown private interest, all the while pretending to be representatives?
This suggestion conflicts with our reading of the law, as does your assertion implying that you have no responsibility to prevent fraud because, “The Registrar of Voters is not authorized to investigate, regulate or prosecute alleged voter fraud.”
According to your theory, the DMV validates citizenship (though not eligibility), and law enforcement investigates allegations of fraud. In between application for registration and a potentially tainted outcome something happens, called registration, verification of identity and eligibility, voting, tallying, and the final certification of only valid votes, that apparently warrants no action on your part.
This is the exact reason that we performed our work on legitimate voters in Orange County and not surprisingly to us identified that more than one in five voters in 2024 were either non- citizens, invalid or phantom voters. We performed this study based on another effort to determine the legitimacy of voter rolls in the state which determined 17% of the records in California’s voter rolls were non-citizens. (https://joehoft.com/2024-steal-exclusive-millions- of-non-citizen-voters-in-california-are-enough-to-decide-any-election-in-the-state/)
This study was referred to numerous times in my articles related to Orange County. The conclusion of this study is as follows when trying to determine how so many non-citizens could be in the California voter rolls:
Adding up these excess registrations, there are 3,797,202 of them in the current California voter rolls. According to the California Secretary of State in the 60-Day Report of Registration, there are 22,310,352 registered voters in the State. That suggests that 17% of the registered voters in California are illegally registered non- citizens.
Even if we could account for half that number as legal registrations, that still leaves a huge number of registrations that could change the outcome of almost any election. The voter rolls also contain information on party affiliation, and as one might expect, most of these excess registrations are for Democrats.
One question that arises is how did they get into the rolls – how did they register? Again, information in the voter rolls tells us that a large number of these registrations came from the online registration system, while many of the remainder came through the motor vehicle licensing system (DMV). Both of these are supposed to check citizenship and reject non-citizen applications. In both, however, the applicant has to check a box indicating they are non-citizens. If they don’t check the box, it is assumed they are citizens.
Many non-citizens are reluctant to admit they aren’t citizens because that could identify them for future removal or other action. Easier just to leave the box unchecked. Both the online registration system and the DMV will pass these through to the voter registration system as probable citizens. Checks with Social Security, or with other government sources of citizenship status often fail because these agencies lack essential information.
What about the argument that non-citizens wouldn’t register because that would disqualify them from ever becoming citizens? It turns out that many, if not most of these individuals don’t know they are registered to vote.
Federal prosecution guidelines state:
“It is the states that have primary authority to ensure that only qualified individuals register and vote, that the polling process is conducted fairly, and that the candidate who received the most valid votes is certified as the winner.”
And according to the federal courts:
“[a]n election is a process whose fairness is meant to engender confidence in a democratically selected government. When the purity of the process is compromised in part, the corruption affects the integrity of the whole.” US v Slone, F6th No. 03-6427 (2005)
Certification of an election is an attestation of both accuracy and legal compliance in the final tally. The USA study indicates that the final tally in Orange County in 2024 is neither of the two. Rather than listing legal requirements, can you figure out what happened, immediately, as a matter of national security. There appear to be significant breaches of the following basic principles of a fair election:
- All qualified citizens are eligible to
- All qualified voters have the right to have their votes counted fairly and
- Invalid ballots dilute the worth of valid ballots, and therefore will not be
Instead of asking me to provide you with a list of voters we identified in our sample to refer for prosecution, I am asking you to use the tools of the state to verify the entire list of voters in 2024 to ensure your validation of those results was accurate and to prepare for the upcoming election in 2026, which is your job. 297,000 votes improperly counted in the elections for six members of the US House of Representatives is a constitutional disaster.
Knowing that the process to maintain accurate lists of voters that comply with the law is broken in your important county, I would expect you will take immediate action, as do the qualified citizens of Orange County, California and the entire United States to get this addressed.
Sincerely,
Joe Hoft
cc: Marly Hornik and Harry Haury with United Sovereign Americans
From: Media Support <MediaSupport@ocvote.gov>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2025 10:12 PM
To:
Cc: ; ‘Harry Haury’ >; Media Support
Subject: RE: Response to ROV
Mr. Hoft:
It is not my intent to challenge your study or delay.
I asked for a copy of the study because… If United Sovereign Americans has identified ineligible and nonexistent voters on Orange County’s voter roll, I would like that evidence as soon as possible to review and potentially provide to the Orange County District Attorney and/or Secretary of State to investigate anyone who may have lied on a voter registration affidavit.
As you have asked me to prove that the Orange County Registrar of Voters adheres to the law, I provide the following summary of how we comply with California and federal law requiring us to only register voters who have certified under penalty of perjury that they are eligible to vote and provided proof of identity.
Maintaining an accurate voter registration roll
The Orange County Registrar of Voters team takes maintenance of the County’s voter registration roll and potential voter fraud seriously.
We update registration records daily based on information provided by voters and official government sources. In 2024, there were 974,220 voter registration updates made to Orange County voter registration records, which was a monthly average of 81,185 transactions.
In addition to complying with the legal mandate to update a registration record within five business days of notification from the voter or an official government source, we also access third-party data to identify possible voter address and status changes that can be further researched to potentially update voter registration records. This includes comparing our voter information with consumer credit reporting agency data before all statewide elections.
Note: A voter’s registration record cannot be modified based on third-party data, but the Registrar of Voters does use the information to contact the voter to confirm the accuracy of the information.
As a result of our daily voter file maintenance work, the percentage of ballots returned as undeliverable last year was substantially less than the national undeliverable first- class mail rate as reported by the United States Postal Service:
2024 Primary Election Ballots – 1.6%
2024 General Election Ballots – 1.7% FY 2024 All First Class Mail – 4.3%
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