As a public service to the Voice of OC, the OC Register, the OJ Blog and the Anaheim Blog, we’re reprinting the complete statement made by Anaheim Council member Jordan Brandman at last night’s meetings which call for a new set of hearings on the District Maps. We offer this without editorial comment and eagerly look forward to the fantasy crafted by the underemployed blogger at OJ about what it all means…..
Jordan Brandman —
Thank you all really truly for coming tonight. As many of you know, I endorsed the ballot initiative to create districts, signed the ballot argument in support, and actively campaigned for its passage. I have fought for an Anaheim City Council that reflects the diversity of our community, and I will continue to do so.
Throughout this process, we have all worked tirelessly to accomplish those goals, and we have taken pride in the thoroughness and transparency of these proceedings. Since the first public hearing, all of us have had the best of intentions to implement this new system of governance using the map that has been recommended by the districting committee. And we concluded that portion with unanimity. However, during the second hearing that unanimity broke down as this body tried to develop a sequencing plan for which districts would be up in the 2016 cycle.
In the time since, it has become clear to me that it is not the sequencing of the districts but the map itself at issue. While everyone has worked in good faith to see a map approved that guarantees representational equity, the proposed map is the epitome of the perfect being the enemy of the good. It forces this council to choose between ensuring that historically underrepresented communities have the opportunity to vote for their candidate of choice in 2016 and geographic equity.
Furthermore, upon further review and conversations with several community leaders, I believe not having a map with two Latino majority CVAP districts on the ballot in 2016 could expose the City to further lawsuits, as the recent letter from MALDEF contends. Therefore, since this map has led us to an impasse, I move we postpone indefinitely the consideration of the proposed ordinance before us. Instead, I propose that we direct to staff to set up hearings beginning in January 2016 for further consideration of maps that were already submitted to the Advisory Committee on Electoral Districts where the map included 2 or more Latino majority CVAP districts. I believe there is a sufficient number of alternatives in the maps that have already been submitted.
Based on the statistics available to us, I believe that demographer consultant map 2 may be the best alternative, with Council Districts 1, 2, 3, and 5 up for election in 2016. That arrangement would provide for two Latino majority CVAP districts in central and east Anaheim, and two west and south Anaheim districts on the November 2016 ballot.
That said, if the council would like to explore other alternatives, I look forward to that discussion and any thoughts staff has. Nevertheless, I think it is clear at this juncture that the map and election sequencing as proposed in the ordinance before us is not in the best interests of the City of Anaheim, and I hope we can find an alternative that accomplishes the aims we established at the very beginning of this process. Thank you.
So the first time you read this satement (at last night’s Council meeting,) 150.people stood, booed and shouted shame on you while storming.out of chamber. Guess nobody’s buying the great white privileged hero who knows what’s best for the poor ignorant masses line huh……
Well you only seem to know what’s best while pulling down a paycheck for it. Tell me Jeff, who died and placed you in charge of retribution from the LGBT community?
We can start with 30 years of LGBT activism during which I never was.paid one penny, 26 years of living with HIV and over 200 friends dead of AIDS is a good.place to.start. Any other questions?
Read closely, Jeff: our host here said “WHO DIED and placed you in charge….” Clearly, he wants you to list all 200 of those names. Or somehow “it doesn’t count.”
Personally, I’m more interested in the names of the “several community leaders” with whom Jordan supposedly spoke — and how many of them were Latino other than Ernesto Medrano.
(Since this is where our host asks “yah, well what about the members of CATER?”, perhaps he should turn in a Public Records Act request for the transcript of Cynthia Ward’s deposition, of which the City has a copy. Then he can ask Jordan to identify the “leaders” with whom he supposedly talked — and whether any of that was in writing.)
No, clearly he doesn’t want a list of all 200 of those names. As usual, you’d be wrong. Frankly, Jeff inserted the LGBTQ community into a debate on districting. Interesting tactic to insult, berate and belittle an elected official to get them to change a vote. Perhaps reviewing Lou Correa’s approach is worth watching again.
Dan we are WAY beyond discussion of basic districting issues. It is disgustingly clear that the Council majority is using their positions as public officials to impose their own personal and political will on others, in what sure looks from this end like an abuse of process or misuse of public funds. Greg brought up the issue of “animus” which I initially did not agree with, but the more I examined the law the more I agree. (not that I have any business opining on the law, but since it happens here all the time, I will throw in anyway.) It’s ironic that unconstitutional animus was at the heart of tearing down homophobic attacks on the civil rights of gays in Prop 8 and other such biased and prejudiced lawmaking. So the very essence of the opposition to legislative decisions that lack a rational relationship to legitimate state interests, which Brandman would one day benefit from should he settle down and marry, is the very offense which he appears guilty of in his own biased decision-making against a “politically unpopular group.”
Yes there IS a connection between the elected leader who, of all 5 up there, should UNDERSTAND what it is to be judged and discriminated against by the application of a standard over which he has no control, ie sexual orientation, and the disenfranchisement of the Latino community simply because they are Latino. That, I believe, was the basis of Jeff’s remarks at the podium. Funny that Dan feels free to opine on a subject for which he fails to attend meetings, while stating we have no valid standing to oppose the BS Angels agreements because we don’t attend games as regularly as he does. Keep spinning, Dan.
Cynthia, I was putting in a late night at the office trying to watch video that kept timing out. Jeff’s remarks about gay elected officials must be held to a higher standard don’t seem to apply to Bao Nguyen, his favored candidate, who invited an on duty officer into his home after midnight to talk politics. Jeff has shifting standards on who to be and when to be outraged. Jeff has been a remarkable advocate for the LGBT community, a paid advocate for union workers in Anaheim, and a sore loser for DPOC chair. I actually think all elected officials, regardless of party or sexual identification, ought to be held to high standards. You routinely look away when Tait places his business interest ahead of the city’s.
Like I said, who put you in charge. You speak for yourself. Not the entire gay community. And you’re not alone when it comes to friends lost to AIDS. The paycheck reference sport is your union activity on behalf of those Disney workers. Unless that was all charity too.
Do you speak for all Democrats in Anaheim Dan? have you spent 30 years in Anaheim doing activist work for the Democratic Party? are you even a Democrat? Who exactly do you speak for anyway? Other than this character Jordan Brandman of course.
I have never said I speak for all Democrats; I speak for myself. Gustavo doesn’t speak for all Mexican-Americans. he speaks for himself. Letourneau doesn’t speak for all LGBT community members, yet threatened to bring the force of that community down on an elected official. Wow. Look at Henry Vandermeir’s public comments or Lou Correa’s public comments as an example of class in communicating their desire to add District 3 in 2016.
You only speak for yourself? How is it that you always get the press releases from Jordan with such lightning speed and already have canned retorts and answers?post haste? and one other thing that confuses me, your blog here says its Liberal and that you challenge the right wing. But to be honest I just don’t see it, and I’m puzzled on how Jordan Brandman can be considered a liberal. Or you for that matter.
I get releases light speed from lots of people. Pay attention
Man that’s a weak answer. If I didn’t already know you are this Jordan guys spokesman it would be really stifling. So tell me, how is it that this Jordan is a good Democrat and how are you actually a Democrat? The posts Ive read about this guy makes him out to be a hard right winger who wants to bankrupt the government so him and his buddies and that pringle character can privatize everything with themselves at the helm.
Stop reading posts about him on the Orange Juice where facts are routinely made up but what bloggers believe the way he and I think, but don’t actually do.
I’m not Jordan’s spokesman; he has people for that.
Exactly How many ways are there to avoid answering a question? For your information, I read from many sources including you to form my views. And I can say for sure, that You and Jordan appeal to the more right wing elements of society. So my question is asked again, how exactly, is Jordan Brandman, and yourself, included in the spectrum of “Liberals”? I got to say, I just cant see it. In fact, you come off as very much conservative fiscally, and when issues of social mindset are reviewed here, you seem to be going through the motions, begrudgingly while hitting all the standard buzz words as if to ensconce yourself in some sort of google search rubric. You are by far, the weirdest iteration of what a Democrat is that I have ever observed. And you are only weirder than the likes of this Jordan person in that you carry water for this DINO and others like him, for what apparently, by your own admission is done on a voluntary basis with no coordination with Jordan or others of his ilk that seem to anger all other dems in the world but you. Now that is just weird.
I see no reason to explain myself to you Henry. And “Henry” just how many times do you use the same IP address as Vern Nelson? And is re-reading the note above, that’s pretty much the way Vern writes. Can you say “busted?”
No one person c an speak for any group(s) the size of the LGBT or Latino population(s). But I can bet they express the views and thoughts of quite a huge number of members of those communities. How many Democrats in Anaheim do you speak for? How about in Orange County”? can you tell me just how deep is your market penetration in Anaheim OC California or the USA for Democrats and do you claim to speak to their views and opinions?
tell you what, ceteris paribus, how many of the registered Democrats do you estimate you speak for in Irvine? Because from my observations , if we can use this blog as our rubric, I only see you getting berated by Democrats as basically being a fraud or a DINO. And your only supporters seem to be anonymous Republicans. So your’e attempt to diminish the cred of others is really laughable.
Then why do you bother coming here?
Dan: Jeff has done more to better Orange County with just one breath than you can ever hope to do so in a lifetime. You were no one of any influence before you ruined this blog, and you’ll continue to be no one of any influence save among Jordan, Marty Wisckol, Beth Krom and your dear friend Matty Cunningham—a Murderer’s Row of hacks, wimps, and losers. But go on: lecture a progressive legend on how Latino Anaheimers should genuflect before your laughable excuse of a Democrat.
Don’t bother Sir. Apparently this clown has absolutely no scruples.I don’t know what his story is, or what he i trying to make it but its going no where fast. Apparently from your statement this guy is a Never Was and not even a has been.
I seek no influence Gustavo. As far as ruining publications go, no one is better at it than you. Hope your parent company can sell your publication before they decide to shutter it.
And here it goes:
CONGRATULATIONS to Valerie Amezcua and Claudia Perez-Figueroa for witdrawing their endorsement of Jordan Brandman. Now that’s what a good Democrat looks like!!!!!
Next?
Jeff, is Henry Vandermeir a good Democrat? Is Sharon Wallin a good Democrat? How about Tom Daly? Is Frank Barbaro one? Do you have a test for ascertaining good Democrats and bad Democrats? How is it you get to decide that? Just asking.
Vandemeir’s condemnation Tuesday of Jordan’s anti-latino, anti-democratic actions was ringing. I still would back Jeff over Henry in any election, but I was impressed with Henry as a good Dem that night at least.
Did you threaten them?
Claudia hasn’t withdrawn her endorsement. You will have to threaten with more forceful threats.
As for Jordan’s fiction re. MALDEF’s position on this matter, allow me.to quote the final line of their correspondence the Mayor Tait:
“In order to avoid costly litigation and potential liability for “intentional discrimination,” we urge the Council to order that an election be held in District 3 in November 2016.
Sincerly,
Denise Hulett
National Senior Counsel
MALDEF
To read any ambiguity in this position is foolhardy at best and intentionally and morally bankrupt at.worst!
and if District 3 was selected for 2016 and it was one of those districts in play for 2018, MALDEF would almost certainly sue. There’s no restriction about District 3 not being eligible for the 2018 election. Then what Jeff?
I’m sorry, was that in English? Reading it four times didn’t help.
lay off the booze then. One of the districts that votes in 2016 will have to vote again in 2018…see where I’m going now or should I call Uber for you?
So when the discussion gets to be too much out of your league, you resort to pointing out that Vern enjoys alcohol and got in trouble for it. You are so predictably childish.
No, not really, because no matter what the argument, Vern’s going to reply with something that doesn’t make sense.
How many DUIs and how much jail time make that discussion off limits Jane? Vern’s public comments (in a Santa Hat) are worth watching because he slurs his words and appears unsteady on his feet…just how serious am I supposed to take this guy.
From what I understand, whichever 2016-voting district would vote again in 2018 would be chosen by lottery or such; also, whoever wins that district in ’16 would have the advantage of incumbency when running for re-election in ’18. I don’t see any reason for anyone to sue over that, given those two facts. You are just grasping at straws, in your deep deep Jordan love.
If District 3 was the district chosen by Lottery, then that district is forever stuck in the off year election. Now do you understand?
Each of these districts is destined to grow in latino cvac population each year. Voting in 16 and then with an incumbent advantage in 18, district 3 latinos should be unstoppable. I don’t see anyone moaning about that.
You just made a case for excluding District 3 now. So how do we get Latino CVAC population growth and turn it into actual votes in elections other than the November presidential one? I’m all ears
No, in a dozen ways no, Mega-Dense One. For one thing, you ever hear “justice delayed is justice denied?” And your bff’s gang has been putting this off for 4-5 years already.
Actually Jeff, a rep from MALDEF was at the meeting and declined to speak when Tait offered opening comments. You can speculate to reasons why, but I have some calls in to see how the group feels about what happened. There’s considerable ambiguity now
You know about MALDEF being there because I mentioned it here and elsewhere, and they had BETTER f—ng clear things up this week.
I hope you realize that cheering/apologizing for Jordan’s new scheme means cheering/apologizing for locking Anaheim’s latino majority into a council minority for many years to come.
No, I knew about it well before you commented. But I’m waiting for several calls to be returned. There’s a lot to this story and I don’t make up stuff about what motivates people like you do at OJ
Speaking as a somewhat interested outsider – how about going with the map as previously decided and “draw straws” or some kind of lottery to determine which districts are up for election?
You always avoid answering everyone’s queries by asking another question. You really and truly lack the strength of your own convictions which makes me question why you volunteer to do these “public Services” to the rest of the OC Press community as some sort of volunteer insider.
You don’t want to offer me any sort of background on why you altruisticly designate yourself as the Jordan Brandman Whisperer, and berate those who admire the Mayor Mr Tait for his Progressive behavior and yet, offer nothing to readers about the hard core municipal bankrupting behavior of this Jordan guy who is so closely tied to one of the most repellent of all hard right wing Republicans, that Pringle Guy,, that it would seem that Jordans uncloseting is by the leave of Pringle himself for political gain. How come it is NOT ok to admire a Republican Mayor who is behaving like a Democrat but to literally be the lap dog of the most horrible Republican this City has ever seen is just A-OK? Ive googled this guy Pringle; he set up Poll Guards to ward of Brown people from the polls. But y o think its important to get Latinos to vote? And you run cover for a guy who tried to literally intimidate this group from even voting. How is the weather in Opposite Day Land Dan?
Vern — Tait votes no on any city union contract even after city workers made sacrifices to help the city’s budget in a downturn; Tait’s must recuse himself on issues where Anaheim and the County must communicate because his business holds several county contracts. Tait’s handpicked ticket for 2014 was one person on this third marriage who has some sort of anger management issues and tried to hide his past while the other one has already moved to improve his changes of re-election in which some would call Carpetbagging (which doesn’t bother me as long as you are running to represent people you already represent). I have been writing for this site for nearly 10 years; there’s a body of work that proves my progressive credentials. You keep demanding an explanation or proof when you won’t reveal that “Henry Lipton” and Vern Nelson use the same IP address. The jig is up.
I have no reason to use a different name when I comment here. And I don’t mention enough, but I do appreciate you not censoring any of my comments, that makes you better than Matt at least in that regard.
IP addresses? I’m sure I use a lot of them, I am always traveling around two counties, and use the wifi in lotsa coffee shops. “Henry,” you writing from a Starbucks?
And there’s a lot about this guy’s (or girl’s) style that doesn’t sound like me, to anyone with any literary sense, Mr. Holmes. I do think he (or she) mostly makes good sense.
Good Lord man!!?? Getting you to answer a direct question is like getting the baby Jesus into the bath tub when he doesn’t want a bath. (Walk on water). Tell me why its ok for this Jordan Brandman guy to be at the beck and call of Pringle, but to acknowledge that Mr Tait is doing good work is a bad thing? How many contracts does Pringle have before the council? ARTIC, light Rail, Garden walk, theft of Angels Stadium, a 45 year long heist of Disneyland Dollars? How do you justify all that? How do you equate, excuse me, compare cheering of Tait’s good works with that of Pringles heist of this citys future? This all the while extolling how the Democratic Party needs Latino votes, but you are carrying water for a known racist who actually hired armed guards to intimidate Latino Voters into not voting? Seriously man did you pull a muscle spinning such nonsense? You are about as much a Democrat as George Wallace and Strom Thurmond. If you have not been asked to leave the Democratic Party, please let me be the first to ask yo to find the exit.
Does anyone else know Bao Nguyen was a student of Professor Curt Pringle? Or am I the only one?
This proves what now? Besides being about (holds fingers close together) this interesting?
It proves that he can change the subject of a conversation when he starts flailing as quickly as any other writer in the county.
My guess would be that only Curt Pringles inner circle (That means you) are aware of that.
And this means what? Are you saying we should ignore Brandmans service to curt Pringle, a known Nazi who hired armed uniformed poll guards to intimidate Latinos from voting, and focus all that negative energy towards another candidate? Wow?!! You are truly a rare gem.
Can I assume from your silence that you are a Nazi sympathizer since you are carrying water for another Nazi sympathizer? A guy who hires armed uniformed poll guards to intimidate Latinos so that do not vote is nothing short of a Nazi racist bigot gangster who uses armed uniformed guards to prevent a minority population from exercising their Constitutional Rights to vote.
From my silence, you can assume I was out with my wife and friends last night and not caring about getting back to you in a timely fashion. Curt Pringle is many things, but a Nazi sympathizer, he is not. But since you went there, I can assume from your reach into Nazism to paint people with a broad brush, that all you want to do is pick a fight and no answer will satisfy you. So I’m done answering your questions. I will also note you never denied being Vern. Vern did, but you didn’t. IP addresses don’t lie.
I think YOU are lying about IP addresses, and also immensely dense. This guy doesn’t sound like me for a sentence, and when have you known me to flout Godwin’s Rule so cavalierly? Never.
Fine Sherlock, I’ll send you a screen grab next week Then you can apologize for calling me a liar.
Sure. Make sure to include the last 20 IPs Ive used in the past month, as I travel all over.
“IP addresses don’t lie”.. what an ignorant statement. Do you not remember my story about how Pedroza’s handing over a commenter’s IP to an aggrieved Anaheim employee led to the wrong person, a non-English speaking Hispanic housekeeper, being sued and harassed for a year? You would enjoy that story, but only because it makes Art look like a dick. Google “litigious cheryl sanders.”
Read it again dan. I said Curt Pringle is the one who hired armed uniformed poll guards to intimidate latino voters. That would make jordan and you the sympathizers. Hey whats better than armed uniformed poll guards? hell just pencil those latinos beind lines so they cannot vote. That’s even better
Curt Pringle did that in 1988. I moved to OC in 1997. Pull your tin foil hat on tighter
dan, have you endorsed JHordan Brandman? Will you endorse him? How much money have you donated to his campaign? Why do you support him for elected office whether the house or council?
He also seems to love Lou, if you hadn’t noticed.
which one of either has he endorsed? Or donated to? Dan did you donate to that lady trying to pay down her campaign debt? Did you go to her fundraiser
Are at all disturbed by Jordan’s endorsement of the other two republicans on the dais and vice versa? And how is it that Jordan can endorse Republicans but for Dems to admire the Mayor for his progressive actions is like the worst thing you can imagine?
I have nor endorsed anyone. I have contributed to three of the four candidates running for Congress who personally called to ask for a donation. Joe Dunn has not asked. If he does, I will contribute to his campaign too.
I would advise Joes campaign (if they read this digital wasteland) to NOT ask you. The others have to have you hanging on with some sort of entitled sense to say anything as a result. You couldn’t have enough money to suffer that consequence.
I bet Joe can’t wait to call. It would beacintribution from OrangeCounty at least
Get in line to give to Joe this afternoon – Super Antojitos, Santa Ana, 2-3.
We’re putting up the tree this afternoon Vern. Christmas over politics. If Joe wants a check, he has my number. How much are you giving to his campaign today? Put your money where your mouth is.
Idiot. That’s what I’m doing.
Why you give to them all (allegedly) no matter which one you prefer, is shady though … I guess it makes you feel like a real mover and shaker, LOL
So you’re giving money to Joe ? Guess Your sweetie cant say “he went to Jareds” for xmas
“As a public service to the Voice of OC, the OC Register, the OJ Blog and the Anaheim Blog”
Have any of these ungrateful cretins kissed your ring yet for the altruistic public relations you do on behalf of Jordan; apparently without any coordination or request from the Brandman himself? I mean who do the think they are not acknowledging you self sacrifice and service to such a great Democrat, even if he is controlled by a hard right wing Republican racist who hires armed goons to prevent Latinos from voting. And then go around bankrupting the city? Has Jordan at least called to thank you for your volunteer service ion his behalf without any request by him?
Hey Henry, honestly, I don’t care what you think
Hey Dan guess what? I bet you more people care about what I think than care about what you think. In fact, no one cares what you think. In fact people hate you. They hate the fact that you use the name of this blog as a misnomer of huge magnitude as you are anything BUT a liberal. In fact I don’t even think you are a Democrat. and they hate that you go out of your way to insert yourself into a city you have nothing to do with except to cheer on those who are destroying it. namely the water boy for a guy who hired armed uniformed poll guards to intimidate Latino voters from voting. How is it you can live with yourself for supporting that scumbag? In fact THOSE scumbags Brandman and Pringle? I would like to ask you to leave the Democratic Party and stay gone or join up with your true masters the GOP. You are not welcome here in Anaheim or in the Democratic Party. Please find the exit and leave. You are not wanted here.
Henry, make me
Your’e creepy for wanting to stay somewhere you aren’t wanted. Oh well, if you want to be known as a guy who supports someone who hired uniformed armed guards to intimidate Latino Voters from voting and his puppet who he uses to rob this city blind, then that’s what you will be known for. And you can sink into obscurity along with Jordan Brandman.
Perhaps it’s time for you to do some research on your progressive mayor Tom Tait. Please research his role in putting immigration agents in Anaheim jails for deportations. I don’t live in Anaheim. That’s true. There is also no listing for a Henry Lipton in Anaheim. Greg Diamond doesn’t live in Anaheim. Vern Nelson doesn’t live in Anaheim. Jeff LeTourneau doesn’t live in Anaheim. Should they all go too? They support Tait, an elected official who led an effort to deport Latinos from Anaheim. How old was Brandman in 1988? You’re a jerk Henry.
None of those guys are aiding and abetting the robbery of this city. Hell why don’t we get good ol David Duke to run for something then cause his issues were also in the 80s. And somehow, its ok to have that in your past and still pull the strings at City hall! So why not David Duke? AGAIN, you illustrate why you are not welcome here. Go away. Im a jerk? hey guess what? Im not some jerk who can spin BS, trying to enable the further degradation of this city along with some other guy who is also NOT from here. What are you you doing looking for me in the phone book? Are you planing to stalk me too? Creep. Guess what? We don’t want to give away the angels Stadium to anyone but keep it as ours as it is; we also don’t like having to look at that ugly clam shell of a monument to kleptocarcy, and we don’t like the give away to the garden walk developers hurting families and children in the process, and we don’t like the 45 year long robbery of Disney’s gate tax dollars. You know who loves hat stuff? REPUBLICANS! So yeah, your’e not a democrat and you aren’t welcome in the party or the city of Anaheim. Go away and tale that Jordan Brandman with you on the way out.
I’ll go where I want, do what I want and write about what I want. Have a great night Henry
Great another boor who just wants to impose himself onto others. Doesn’t surprise me to see what kind of people associate with that strumpet of Curt Pringle’s.
“That strumpet of Curt Pringle”. Nice anti gay hate speech Henry. I’m banning you tomorrow