As you may have noticed there has been a bit of disagreement between the bloggers over at The Orange Juice, and those here at TheLiberalOC. I don’t know if our disagreements have become based in petty rivalry or honest disagreement. For my part, I think it’s a bit of both.
At any rate, as Publisher of this blog I choose to deal with these disagreements by pretending that the Orange Juice Blog, and therefore our disagreements, do not exist. We will simply ignore them.
Now I know that this is not going to be easy, and some of my fellow bloggers here may trip up a little as well as suffer brain aneurisms making the attempt, but for now, The Orange Juice Blog, no longer holds legitimate content for us to write about.
Since some of our readers like having Orange Juice on the Launching Pad, it will stay. But we won’t be writing about their B.S. any more. If you want to read the Orange Juice that is your right. Just don’t complain about it over here, because we no longer care.
I close this post with a poem by Robert Fulghum that I have hanging on the wall next to my computer,
All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten
All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school. These are the things I learned:  ÂÂ
Share everything. Play fair. Don’t hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don’t take things that aren’t yours. Say you’re sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life – learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some. Take a nap every afternoon. When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that. Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup – they all die. So do we. And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned – the biggest word of all – LOOK. Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.
Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all – the whole world – had cookies and milk at about 3 o’clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.
And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.
Wish us luck.
My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.
Hate to be a party pooper but.. There might be some legitimate reason to examine the financial status of someone running for office.
If Paul Walters is on the verge or close to bankruptcy that should give voters pause. He did not have a bad year, his salary was not impacted by the “recession.†He does not face any crippling medical bills that aren’t covered by insurance.
He is a government salaried employee with VERY high and stable income. If what was reported on the Juice is true it brings Walters judgment on financial issues into question.
Before you go ballistic – yes I want to hold my elected officials to a higher standard than the shmoe down the street. Particularly, when they literally hold the power of life and death in their hands. After the Corona fiasco why shouldn’t we look for someone with a squeaky clean background who doesn’t bring any baggage or questionable judgment.
I don’t think what the OC Juice reported is a reason to BAN them from your site.
Chris– You kindergarten sand pile story and Gila’s shoes and soda story were great. I think your ignoring the OJ makes some sense. Blogs should rise and fall on their own posts. Because OJ devotes a good deal of space to Santa Ana, I forsee Sean as honoring your guidelines more in the breach than the observance.
OJ serves up some good information on Santa Ana but its coverage is also laced with misinformation and character assassination. The price of having gadflies in a democracy. It will be interesting to see how Sean handles this since he is one of the few who will challenge what gets poster there.
Bob,
Who with any decency or credibility says that Paul Walters is on the verge of declaring bankruptcy?
I have it from VERY good sources that most of what was contained within that attack on the Chief was not true. Do not put much credence into what you may have read, because it very well may be lies.
It is obvious that the Chief’s detractors must be worried about him getting the Sheriff’s position. They have decided to step up their slanderous and libelous attacks on him in an effort to keep the BOS from appointing him.
Bob – it’s Carona not Corona. You guys should know that.
Dan
Please forgive my typo. I agree that we should know the proper spelling of the former disgraced and personally flawed ex Sheriff.
Getting back to my post – shouldn’t we, the voters, know about Sheriff candidate Walters’ poor financial situation – brink of bankruptcy? Again stable high paying government salary – no crushing medical bills no reason why someone with good judgment should be in such dire straits.
You are VERY unfair to the OC Juice.
Bob,
It is not a requirement of someone holding political office to reveal the stability of their financial affairs. “The brink of bankruptcy” is not bankruptcy. The only data that can be fairly reviewed is the information filed on an individuals form 700 “Disclosure of Ecnomic Iterests.”
Information from a divorce proceeding is not relevant in this case. All other candiidates are not required to make the same disclosures, so a comparison is neither warranted, fair, or justified.
We do not seek this type financial disclosure from our County Treasurer/Tax Collector, Auditor/Controller, Assessor, Clerk Recorder, Sheriff/Coroner, or members of the Board of Supervisors. We do not require this information from candidates for these offices either.
Sorry Bob, This information is neither relevant or useful. It is merely salacious BS, spread to smear the character of Chief Walters. If someone has something related to his qualifications to run a law enforcement agency, that would be releant and worthy of discussion.
“We do not seek this type financial disclosure from our County Treasurer/Tax Collector,”
You guys were singing a different toon about what the voters should have known about Chriss Street prior to the election.
“smear the character of Chief Walters”
Of all the jobs in government this is one where character counts more than anything. Do voters have a right – with all qualifications being equal to review someone’s character?
What was Carona’s biggest fault? What did it all boil down to? Did you guys miss reading the newspaper for the last 7 months?
I don’t want our new sheriff to be on the ‘brink’ of anything –
• Walters makes about $200,000 a year.
• He has over $170,000 in credit card debt, (14 credit cards).
• He lost his home to his wife and that home has a mortgage in excess of over $700,000 and the property is most likely worth less that the mortgage amount.
Bob,
You have nothing to prove the scurilous allegation that Chief Walters is on the brink of “anything”. All you are doing here is simply regurgitating rumors spread by the “bully of the blogosphere”.
As I previously stated most of the attack on Chief Walters was based on lies. For you to further promulgate such baseless innuendos does little more than paint you in a bad light.
We prefer to deal in facts at this blog. If you wish to promote the lies of the “bully of the blogosphere” I’d suggest you do so over there.
You want facts? You can’t handle the facts.
Or maybe you can. The “facts†are in case file #07D000143 filed in Orange on Jan 05, 2007.
You can look them up yourself – they are stubborn things.
Seriously – these “baseless innuendos†which boil down to numbers (dollar amounts) are there in black and white. 14 credit cards? $170,000, upsidedown on his house? $11,800 a month in spousal support?
Banning the OJ from this site doesn’t change facts or make them go away.
Someone from the Walters camp should refute them point by point and put it to rest. I will offer a big apology and pile on Art and smite him for spreading something that is false.
Bob,
Since you think that Chief Walters divorce settlement is fair game, how about Bill Hunt’s personnel file?
Shouldn’t the residents of Orange County get a look see at Hunt’s personnel file from when he was a Deputy Sheriff? That’s fair game, right?
Most of the residents would be surprised by what they might see in regards to his dismissal. Maybe Hunt could make “copies” of it for us all to see.
Bob,
For the record, we have not banned any blogs that I know of. We intend to play in our own sandbox and let others play in theirs. The blog feeds are still up and that will not be changing. As the New York Times rarely comments on stories in The National Enquirer, we expect to no longer comment on “stories” posted by their counterpart in the OC blogosphere, whichever blog that may be.
Your ego’s are getting in the way of some good old fashioned mud slinging.
Did you know that Paul Walters personal financial record (current situation) would disqualify him from being a bank teller? Why do financial institutions have these types of checks in place – are they big meanies who like to pry into people’s personal lives and trounce their ‘characters’
You can dance around this all you want claiming the above information is “a smear†and “mud slinging” but I think you owe Art and his team at OJ an apology.
Actually Bob it would not.
There is no “current situation” that would preclude him from getting any job. There is no bankruptcy, no verge of bankruptcy. The credit card situation has been cleared up on his end, so you can stop throwing that around.
The mortgage on his former home is his ex-wife’s responsibility now. The home was quit-claimed to her and the payments are all hers.
Again lets try to stick to legitimate issues rather than spreading filth and carrying water for the “bully of the blogosphere”.
If this is what you view as appropriate campaign fodder, why didn’t you answer my question regarding Bill Hunt and his personnel file? Didn’t you “copy” what I was asking?
Does it give you pause that the Chief drives a $95,000 luxury S class sedan? Hummmmm? 14 credit cards
It all seems a little funky?
Bob,
Still waiting to hear what you think about the use of Hunt’s personnel files. Are Hunt’s personnel records fair game?
Do I need to make a “copy” of that question and ask it over and over again?
Or could it be that you work for a political consulting firm with ties to the GOP and Jack Anderson and you are pushing this smear job for them.
Please let me know.
Bob. The word is tune and not toon and look how long the right wingers here backed Carona. Jon Fleischman (a buddy, I presume) still can’t bring himself to comment on Carona.
You debate well Bob. All your talking points sound like a negative ad you could produce for one of the many candidates for sheriff.
What about the invasion of privacy of the ex-Mrs Walters? She is not a public figure. Can we start digging up divorce records from other candidates for office? Christina Shea is divorced and she’s running for Mayor of Irvine. But on this blog, she commented that she was not “a rich woman.”. So by your standards that should disqualify her from being Mayor with all those Great Park Contracts close at hand. That all said, i wouldn’t dream of publishing her divorce records out of respect for her late ex-husband and their kids.
I don’t care about if there are any salacious personal details in Walters divorce. The most of the time there is something considered “juicy†in a divorce, airing that would be “throwing Mudâ€Â
I don’t want to go over “kiss and tell†stories about the Walters. BUT the divorce records are very revealing – he drives a car that is completely inappropriate for his position as a public servant in law enforcement. He cannot seem to manage his personal finances over $170,000 in debt on 14 cards is just bizarre. With all things being equal among the applicants someone’s personal flaws relating to finance could and should be considered. Again this is the highest and scariest office in the county I don’t want someone with ANY lingering questions about their personal judgment.
and Adam Probosky drives a Masarati? I don’t recall the right wing complaining about the Caronas lifestyle; didn’t he own a boat of some sort? And he barely squeaked by in his last election. Who’s going to ask questions? Not Tony Rack.
This is America; Walters can drive whatever kind of car he wants too.
We’re onto you Bob
Bob,
I love how you stay on point and never even get off message for one second. You are clearly doing the work for a hack political consultant hell bent on attacking Chief Walters.
You keep citing the same numbers (i.e. the credit cards). Chief Walters has taken care of his portion of those bills and as far as the “upside down mortgage” that you are so concerned about, that is his ex-wife’s problem. The property was quitclaimed to her and she is responsible for the mortgage payment, not the Chief.
You continue to dodge questions about Bill Hunt’s personnel file. Why is that?
Your actions mirror those of Hunt hack Tim Whitacre. He and Hunt have been meeting with Walters ex-wife trying to dig up dirt. They have also been trying to get Walters new wife’s ex to dish dirt. These people are scum and you are carrying water for folks like that.
Or is Jack Anderson your boy? I know you have ties to a Republican consulting/mailing firm so perhaps you are doing Jack’s bidding. Either way, neither Hunt nor Anderson should get the job. Anderson is Carona’s boy and thus part of the problem and Hunt’s personnel issues will keep him from getting the job.
Lets move on now Bob.
Hey Chris, just a suggestion? Could you let some know that it’s a sandbox and not kitty litter? Thanks.
By the way Bob the S Class Mercedes is his ex-wifes car. The Chief never drove that vehicle, he drives a city issued car.
Heather,
Have you ever tried to get a cat to listen? 🙂
Yes and I have the scars to prove it!
Hey Bob!
One last question. Did you enjoy tour to of the jails that Ralph Martin put on for your friends today?
Let me know how it went.
Hey Bob — Matt Cunningham/Jubal has refutted mot of your talking points; better get the BC guys on it right away