On Sunday Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn took to the Senate floor about 9 hours before the 1 am vote on the Senate Health Care Reform bill and told Americans that their only hope to stop the passage of the bill was to pray that a member of the majority party not make it for the vote.
“What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can’t make the vote tonight,” he said. “That’s what they ought to pray.”
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If Coburn’s plea wasn’t crazy enough, apparently there are people out there crazy enough to follow those instructions and then call CSPAN this morning wondering if the prayers backfired and harmed Senator Inhofe from Oklahoma, causing him to miss a procedural vote this morning.
“Our small tea bag group here in Waycross, we got our vigil together and took Dr. Coburn’s instructions and prayed real hard that Sen. Byrd would either die or couldn’t show up at the vote the other night,” the caller said.
“How hard did you pray because I see one of our members was missing this morning. Did it backfire on us? One of our members died? How hard did you pray senator? Did you pray hard enough?” he continued, his voice breaking.
Watch it yourself:
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Inhofe was at the Sunday vote, but missed another procedural vote this morning. Inhofe is still quite alive and plans to return to the Senate for later votes this week.
So, to all those Christians out there who actually followed Coburn’s advice and prayed for the demise of a Democratic Senator I have but one question.
What would Jesus Say?
What Would Jesus Say about praying for harm to come to someone? What Would Jesus Say to those who pray to prevent 40 million Americans from having access to health insurance and health care?
What Would Jesus Say indeed?
Jesus might say: ‘Don’t pass Nazi health care’.
http://www.LaRouchePAC.com/health
Really Robert? Really?!
What does Nazi Healthcare even mean? Do you even think before you write or are you simply as ignorant as the CSPAN caller?
The Senate Health Care Bill should be called, “The Harry Reid Hitler Health Care Bill.” A provision in Section 3403 of the Reid Nazi Health Bill pertaining to “cost-cutting” recommendations and setting up a dictatorship of an UNELECTED, “Independent Medicare Advisory Board,” reads, “It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” In other words an untouchable, unelected group of non-medical people making dictatorial decisions on life and death!!!
This is EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS HAD. It was called the T-4 Program.
Harry Reid should immediately be brought in front of a New Nuremberg Tribuanal. He is responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews and others with this proposal.
Harry Reid will not get away with this!!! This will haunt him the rest of his life. Have the courage to resign NOW, Harry.
Since you have no guts to fight for the citizens of this country, RESIGN NOW to show you still have some dignity!!!!
Gerald, You really should stop watching Fox News or considering anything Sarah Palin says as based even remotely on fact.
The Senate HealthCare Reform legislation does not set up a T-4 like program. In fact, there is specific language in the bill that contradicts that allegation.
Senate bill: Advisory Board proposals “shall not include any recommendation to ration health care … or otherwise restrict benefits.” From Section 3403 of the Senate health care bill, “Independent Medicare Advisory Board”:
(ii) The proposal shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums under section 1818, 1818A, or 1839, increase Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.
Get your facts right before you start repeating such bull.
Chris,
Your lying. You know this bill is a bailout of insurance companies! If you want to save money, CUT OUT THE 23 TRILLION IN BAILOUT FUNDS!!!!
Having an UNELECTED UNACCOUNTABLE BOARD modeled on the FEDERAL RESERVE, is a FASCIST DICTATORSHIP, NO MATTER WHAT SPIN YOU PUT ON IT!!!
So, quit lying. Why are you supporting having unelected people having life and death powers over people’s lives?
Gerald,
I am not lying. READ THE DAMN BILL, there are no “Death Panels.” Just like THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS.
But I do agree with you on one thing. The bill is a big stinking bailout of the insurance companies.
Chris:
The ‘no rationing’ part (ii) of SEC. 3403 begins after 1/15/2014 (B) and only applies to the Independent Medicare Advisory Board.
H.R. 3590 (http://thomas.loc.gov)gives authority to President Obama to be the Nazi in [(e) Implementation of Proposal-], …”the Secretary shall implement proposal submitted by the President to Congress”.
In [(5) LIMITATION ON REVIEW ] “There shall be no administrative or judicial review .. of the recommendations contained in a proposal”
Congress and the Courts don’t have a say. Fascism wins.
Robert,
The entire insurance program doesn’t begin until 2014. So therefore, the no rationing provision applies for the entire life of the legislation.
Robert,
Liberals cannot be Fascists. Webster’s Dictionary defines Fascist as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Fascism is usually considered to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.
This is the sections of H.R. 3590 that I’m referring to in my comment 3 above.
The U.S. Senate, 58 Democrats, 2 Independents, gave the U.S. President the authority to be the {[( “Death Panel†)]}, in H.R. 3590, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
H.R. 3590, (http://thomas.loc.gov) gives authority to the Secretary to implement the recommendations contained in a proposal that is submitted by the President to Congress. ( `(e) `(1) IN GENERAL ) (This is on page 11 of SEC.3403).
` (e) Implementation of Proposal-
`(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary shall, except as provided in paragraph (3), implement the recommendations contained in a proposal submitted by the President to Congress pursuant to this section on August 15 of the year of the year in which the proposal is so submitted.
` (4) NO AFFECT ON AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN PROVISIONS-
Nothing in paragraph (3) shall be construed to affect the authority of the Secretary to implement any recommendation contained in a proposal or advisory report under this section to the extent that the Secretary otherwise has the authority to implement such recommendation administratively.
`(5) LIMITATION ON REVIEW- There shall be no administrative or judicial review under section 1869, section 1878, or otherwise of the implementation by the Secretary under this subsection of the recommendations contained in a proposal.
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Getting back to the point of the post, I suspect Jesus would direct Tom Coburn to the Westboro Baptist Church wherefrom he and Fred Phelps could proceed directly to Gehenna, without passing go.
Northcountrystorm
The point of the post was the question: “What would Jesus say?”
I was the first to comment with:
“Jesus might say: ‘Don’t pass Nazi health care’
http://www.LaRouchePAC.com/Health”
Some of the 9 comments that followed agreed, – some disagreed, – with my statement that Obamacare is Nazi Health Care, – with “Death Panels”.
In my comment above yours, I quoted from H.R. 3590 suggesting that there were indeed “Death Panels.”
So, I still say: Jesus might say: “Don’t pass Nazi Health Care; and if it is passed don’t blame Me for your suffering.”
Mr. Lauten,
Sorry, I have no intention on being dragged into the Lyndon Larouche la la land.
The first question was what would Jesus say about someone praying for harm to come to someone.In this case the inference was Coburn was urging people to pray that 92 year old Senator Byrd either die or get so ill he could not attend the vote.
Do you have an answer for that, or do you need to check with Herr Larouche before you respond?